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Linda Heck

This is Very Proper- thanks!

Johnny Morgan

The term 'punk' had long been in use in US prisons by the 1940s— when hard-boiled crime writers whose style was mimicked by noir and crime writers in Hollywood, adopted it as slang for what we might now call 'lady-boys', the almost feminine male who becomes an object of desire to masculine inmates. The younger the 'punk' the fresher the meat, the better. The Dead End Kids were 'jailbait' by any other name, but 'punks' are what they became on screen. Burroughs used the term in that context, too. I'm afraid that I have to argue about McLaren bringing anything back to Britain, and especially not any kind of 'plan', other than trying to create a band who might upset people in the way that his first idol Elvis (see the first McLaren/Westwood emporium Let It Rock) but more recently the New York Dolls had —who were copying Alice Cooper, and not the VU at the time. Cooper called his band 'the nail in the coffin of hippies' in 1970, Lydon mimed to a Cooper song at his Pistols audition, Matlock writes about the impact School's Out had on a generation of pro to-punks in I Was A Teenage Sex Pistol. McLaren was in the right place at the right time, took full advantage of what unfolded and pretended it was all aprt of a 'plan'. It wasn't.

Astro Lemocker

By "plan", I meant thay Mc Laren had an agenda of his own... I don't known what goes in his head for not knowing the guy personally (do you?) but, he reportedly was a Control-freak (just like Jagger in the Stones was). He was an admirer of Warhol's and tried to do with the Pistols what Warhol did with the Velvets, my comparison had nothing to do with the music... The Pistols were pre-fabricated to begin with.

All I wanted to point out with that article is that "Punk rock" originally had nothing to with what it has come to mean to the general public via the mainstream media : it was originally an underground term used to describe the music and style of US sixties Garage-bands, and in that sense it got hi-jacked to become a marketing label. Period :)

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